Concerning life after death you have been told,
"Ye Must Be Born Again".

In Jesus day, what did the Jews believe?
What did Jesus and the Apostles believe?
What did the early church believe?
Did anyone in the Middle Ages believe in Reincarnation?
Is reincarnation a second chance?

Walter Kay

What do you believe: How would you answer?

(  )  A. Born Again.
(  )  B. Resurrection.
(  )  C. Reincarnation.
(  )  D. People do not have souls.
(  )  E. Two or more of the above are correct.

   The belief in resurrection and reincarnation has to do with the soul and its fate.

Roman Catholic Beliefs

Protestant Beliefs

   The present Catechism of the Catholic Church defines the soul as "the innermost aspect of humans, that which is of greatest value in them, that by which they are most especially in God's image: 'soul' signifies the spiritual principle in man."

   All souls living and dead will be Judged by Jesus Christ when he comes back to earth.

   The souls of those who die unrepentant of serious sins, or in conscious rejection of God, will at judgment day may be forever in a state called Hell.

   The Catholic Church teaches the creationist view of the origin of the soul: "The doctrine of the faith affirms that the spiritual and immortal soul is created immediately by God." (Created at conception)

 

Purgatory

   Purgatory is the condition or process of purification or temporary punishment in which, it is believed, the souls of those who die in a state of grace are made ready for Heaven.

   This is an idea that has ancient roots and is well-attested in early Christian literature, while the conception of purgatory as a geographically situated place is largely the creation of medieval Christian piety and imagination.  Click here for more.

   Protestant generally believe in the soul's existence, but fall into two major camps about what this means in terms of an afterlife.

   Some, for example following Calvin, believe in the immortality of the soul and conscious existence after death, while others, following Luther, believe in the mortality of the soul and unconscious "sleep" until the resurrection of the dead.

   Other Christians reject the idea of the immortality of the soul, citing the Apostles' Creed's reference to the "resurrection of the body" (the Greek word for body is soma σωμα, which implies the whole person, not sarx σαρξ, the term for flesh or corpse). They consider the soul to be the life force, which ends in death and is restored in the resurrection.

   Theologian Frederick Buechner sums up this position in his 1973 book Whistling in the Dark: "...we go to our graves as dead as a doornail and are given our lives back again by God (i.e., resurrected) just as we were given them by God in the first place."

   A common belief is that the soul is renewed not at death, but at time of salvation through Christ Jesus, taking into account 2 Corinthians 5:17, "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!" among other similar passages. The renewed soul or spirit is then received by God at time of death.

   Therefore, Protestants do not usually believe in the idea of Purgatory

   The "absent from the body, present with the Lord" theory states that the soul at the point of death, immediately becomes present at the end of time, without experiencing any time passing between. Some identify this belief as being the same as soul sleep as it does not account for what happens to the soul during the intervening time, however, it has been pointed out that all groups believe God exists outside of time. Others still would not consider this a validation of the theory. This group would argue that the Apostle Paul was merely saying that he would rather be present with the Lord than living in his earthly body. Some more traditional Protestants hold beliefs similar to Orthodox Christians whilst certain high Anglicans have even been known to hold Roman Catholic beliefs regarding the fate of the soul.

Other Beliefs About Souls

   In general most Christians, both Catholic and Protestant, believe that at creation or birth every fetus receives a brand new soul and that soul's fate is determined at death whether death occurs in an abortion clinic, childhood or old age.

   Click here for more information on other related points of view. 

Popular Opinion on Reincarnation

   Most Christians believe that reincarnation is a belief in a second chance for salvation.

   For example: Live wickedly in this life. Die and be reincarnated to live again.

   In one of the following lives accept Christ as your personal savior and go to heaven or be resurrected later.

   According the historian Josephus in The Antiquities of the Jews we read that, among the Jews, there were three different opinions: (1) Essens, (2) Pharisees, (3) Sadducees.

The Antiquities of the Jews. Book 18, Chapter 1

2. "The Jews had for a great while had three sects of philosophy peculiar to themselves; the sect of the Essens, and the sect of the Sadducees, and the third sort of opinions was that of those called Pharisees;

(Pharisees) also believe that souls have an immortal rigor in them, and that under the earth there will be rewards or punishments, according as they have lived virtuously or viciously in this life; and the latter are to be detained in an everlasting prison, but that the former shall have power to revive and live again;

4. But the doctrine of the Sadducees is this: That souls die with the bodies;

5. The doctrine of the Essens is this: That all things are best ascribed to God. They teach the immortality of souls, and esteem that the rewards of righteousness are to be earnestly striven for; and when they send what they have dedicated to God into the temple,"

In Josephus book The Wars of the Jews we find this:

The Wars of the Jews, Book 2, Chapter 8

2. "For there are three philosophical sects among the Jews. The followers of the first of which are the Pharisees; of the second, the Sadducees; and the third sect, which pretends to a severer discipline, are called Essens.

11. For (Essens) doctrine is this: That bodies are corruptible, and that the matter they are made of is not permanent; but that the souls are immortal, and continue for ever; and that they come out of the most subtile air, and are united to their bodies as to prisons, into which they are drawn by a certain natural enticement; but that when they are set free from the bonds of the flesh, they then, as released from a long bondage, rejoice and mount upward. And this is like the opinions of the Greeks, that good souls have their habitations beyond the ocean, in a region that is neither oppressed with storms of rain or snow, or with intense heat, but that this place is such as is refreshed by the gentle breathing of a west wind, that is perpetually blowing from the ocean; while they allot to bad souls a dark and tempestuous den, full of never-ceasing punishments. And indeed the Greeks seem to me to have followed the same notion, when they allot the islands of the blessed to their brave men, whom they call heroes and demi-gods; and to the souls of the wicked, the region of the ungodly, in Hades, where their fables relate that certain persons, such as Sisyphus, and Tantalus, and Ixion, and Tityus, are punished; which is built on this first supposition, that souls are immortal; and thence are those exhortations to virtue and dehortations from wickedness collected; whereby good men are bettered in the conduct of their life by the hope they have of reward after their death; and whereby the vehement inclinations of bad men to vice are restrained, by the fear and expectation they are in, that although they should lie concealed in this life, they should suffer immortal punishment after their death. These are the Divine doctrines of the Essens about the soul, which lay an unavoidable bait for such as have once had a taste of their philosophy.

14. But then as to the two other orders at first mentioned, the Pharisees .... They say that all souls are incorruptible, but that the souls of good men only are removed into other bodies, - but that the souls of bad men are subject to eternal punishment.

But the Sadducees are those that compose the second order, ...... They also take away the belief of the immortal duration of the soul, and the punishments and rewards in Hades."

The Essens believed in the immortality of the soul and following death a heaven or hell.

The Sadducees did not believe in the immortality of the soul or a heaven or hell following death.

The Pharisees believed in immortal souls, resurrection and reincarnation. "but that the souls of good men only are removed into other bodies" and a form of heaven and hell "and that under the earth there will be rewards or punishments", only good souls can reincarnate "but that the former shall have power to revive and live again;"

Jesus, Martha and Paul Believed in a Resurrection

   Jesus had more in common with the Pharisees than the Essens and Sadducees saying: "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29.  And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." John 5:28-29

   Martha speaking to Jesus said "I know that he (Lazarus) shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day." John 11:24.

   In Acts 23:6-8 Paul took advantage of the different beliefs of the Pharisees and Sadducees. " But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. 8.  For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both."

Acts 24:15. And have hope toward God, which they (Pharisees) themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

   Paul was a Pharisee. Did Pharisees' believe in both reincarnation and resurrection, or just one or the other? Well the Pharisees believed "but that the souls of good men only are removed into other bodies". (14 above) That is reincarnation. "and that under the earth there will be rewards or punishments". That is resurrection to be rewarded or punished.

   Jesus said " And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

   The question is, can some souls reincarnate following death and before the resurrection at the last day? In the words of the Pharisee, ""but that the souls of good men only are removed into other bodies". Click here for a video.

   History records that many in the early Church believed in reincarnation.

   Origen 185–254 was an early Christian scholar and theologian. Origen was one of the most distinguished writers of the early Christian Church. For three centuries the early church believed that Origen's teachings were profound spiritual wisdom. Origen wrote about the pre-existence of the soul and reincarnation.  Origen taught that the soul's very source was God and that the soul was traveling back to oneness with God via Reincarnation.

Origin was called a heretic.
His belief in reincarnation was called heresy.
Belief in a heresy was made a capital crime.
Modern Churches agree with Justinian and the Cardinals.
For a prophesied 1260 years heretics were hunted down and executed
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    In the sixth century, during the reign of Emperor Justinian, Justinian and several important Cardinals taught that Origen's writings were heresy. Viguilus was the Pope. The Emperor and the Pope disagreed on whether or not the doctrine of reincarnation should be condemned as heresy or allowed to be taught in the church.  

   Emperor Justinian wanted Origen's writings and teachings condemned and destroyed. Pope Vigilius refused to sign a papal decree condemning Origen's teachings on reincarnation. As a result the Emperor had the Pope arrested and put in jail.

   In 543, Emperor Justinian convoked the Fifth General Council of the Church and told the Pope he would have to attend and sign into doctrine whatever the council decided. On the way there under guard, the Pope escaped. The Pope wanted to avoid being forced to condemn Origen's writings. The Emperor commanded the Council to continue despite the Pope's refusal to attend. (More click here)

   The Emperor Justinian made it punishable by death to believe in reincarnation.

   A significant number of early church pillars such as St. Augustine, Clement of Alexandria, St. Gregory of Nyssa, Justin Martyr, and St. Jerome believed in the doctrine of reincarnation. In his Confessions, St. Augustine ponders the common sense viability of reincarnation:  (More click here.)

  There are many modern day books by researchers that offer proof that there is such a thing as reincarnation. So. is reincarnation true? Or is resurrection true? Perhaps it is neither or both. Or is it as the atheists say, "Man is like any other animal and has no soul?"  Click here for a video.

   When a car salesman offers a choice between a red car and a green car that limits your choice to only two colors. But what if you want a blue car? Or even perhaps a two tone car? Or no car at all?

   So let's think. Is it reincarnation? Is it resurrection? (Pharisees) Perhaps it is as the Sadducees conclude, "Man is like any other animal and has no soul?"  Or like modern day Essens (Catholics and Protestants) who believe in the immortality of the soul and following death a heaven or hell.

   All three sects studied the Old Testament scriptures and they came away with three different opinions.

Ecclesiastes 3:19. For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

This verse teaches:
(  ) Reincarnation.
(  ) Resurrection.
(  ) Atheist viewpoint.

2 Peter 2:12. But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

This verse teaches:
(  ) Reincarnation. (to be given a second chance.)
(  ) Resurrection.  (resurrection only to be destroyed.)
(  ) Atheist viewpoint. (natural brute beasts.)

Psalms 58:3. The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

This verse teaches:
(  ) A wicked soul incarnated into a human body at birth.
(  ) Reincarnation. (A wicked soul given a second body.)
(  ) Resurrection.  (A new soul eventually to die, be  resurrected only to be destroyed.)
(  ) Atheist viewpoint. (natural brute beasts.)
(  ) Brand new souls are already corrupted. The doctrine of original sin.

Psalms 37:20. But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

This verse teaches:
(  ) Reincarnation. (To be given a second chance.)
(  ) Resurrection.  (Resurrection only to be destroyed.)
(  ) Atheist viewpoint. (Natural bruit beasts.)
(  ) The wicked have immortal souls.

Deuteronomy 33:11. Bless, LORD, his substance, and accept the work of his hands: smite through the loins of them that rise against him, and of them that hate him, that they rise not again.

This verse teaches: For these wicked:
(  ) A. No Reincarnation.
(  ) B. No Resurrection.
(  ) C. Atheist viewpoint. (No soul to rise again..)

Psalms 140:9-10. As for the head of those that compass me about, let the mischief of their own lips cover them. 10. Let burning coals fall upon them: let them be cast into the fire; into deep pits, that they rise not up again This verse teaches: For these wicked:
(  ) A. No Reincarnation.
(  ) B. No Resurrection.
(  ) C. Atheist viewpoint. (No soul to rise again..)
(  ) D. Resurrection followed by destruction.

 As you think on these things, here is what a book on reincarnation has to say.

Children's Past Lives: How Past Life Memories Affect Your Child by Carol Bowman. Chapter 14 Adults and their Religions, Pages 322-323

   It is a fact that some Christian sects and writers accepted reincarnation as an enhancement to the teachings of Christ. Ongen, one of the heralded Fathers of the Church and described by Saint Gregory as “the Prince of Christian learning in the third century, wrote: “Every soul comes into this world strengthened by the victories and weakened by the defeats of its previous life.

   So if reincarnation was an idea in currency with early Christians, why have all traces of it disappeared from the Christian religion we know today?

   By the early fourth century, strong Christian factions were vying with each other for influence and power, while at the same time the Roman Empire was beginning to fall apart. In A.D. 325, in a move to renew the unity of the empire, the absolute dictator Emperor Constantine convened the leaders of the feuding Christian factions at the Council of Nicaea. He offered to throw his imperial power behind the Christians if they would settle their differences and agree on a single creed. Decisions made at this first council set the foundation for the Roman Catholic Church. (Soon after, the books of the Bible were fixed too.) For the sake of unity, all beliefs that conflicted with the new creed were banished, and in the process the factions and writings that supported reincarnation were thrown out.

   Then, with the applause and support of the Christian leaders, Constantine moved to eliminate competing religions and make his personal grip on the empire even more absolute.12 The result of the marriage between church and imperial state was a new Church mode in the image of the autocratic Roman Empire. This is why, according to some historians, the Church exalts unquestioned central authority, imposes a singular dogmatic creed on its followers, and works so hard to stamp out divergent ideas.’3 This is important, because reincarnation fell outside the official creed.

   Apparently some Christians continued to believe in reincarnation even after ~he Council of Nicaea, because in A.D. 553 the Church found the need to single out

reincarnation and condemn it explicitly. At the Second Council of Constantinople the concept of reincarnation, bundled together with other ideas under the term “pre-existence of the soul,” was decreed to be a crime worthy of excommunication and damnation (‘anathema”):

   If anyone assert the fabulous pre—existence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema.

   Why would the Church go to such lengths to discredit reincarnation? The implicit psychology of reincarnation may be the best explanation. A person who believes in reincarnation assumes responsibility for his own spiritual evolution through rebirth. He does not need priests, confessionals, and rituals to ward off damnation (all ideas, incidentally, that were not part of Jesus’ teachings). He needs only to heed his own acts to himself and others. A belief in reincarnation eliminates the fear of eternal hell that the Church uses to discipline the flock. In other words, reincarnation directly undermines the authority and power of the dogmatic Church. No wonder reincarnation made the Defenders of the Faith so nervous.

   Despite the decree of 553, belief in reincarnation persisted among the rank and file. It took another thousand years .and much bloodshed to completely stamp out the idea. In the early thirteenth century, the Cathars, a devout and enlightened sect of Christians who believed in reincarnation, flourished in Italy and southern France.’6 The pope launched a crusade to stop the heresy, a half million people were massacred—whole villages at a time—and the Cathars were totally wiped out.17 This purging set the tone for the brutal Inquisition that began soon after. Not only was a belief in reincarnation cause for persecution, but so was belief in any metaphysical idea that fell outside the bounds of Church dogma.

   The murderous efficiency of the Inquisition proved effective. The persecution by the institutional Church has scarred our collective psyche, and it has surrounded us with an invisible fence dividing what is safe from what is dangerous to believe. Since then, people who harbor forbidden ideas have learned to keep their thoughts to themselves. Our cultural memory still caries the fear of reprisal for publicly associating with ... a belief in reincarnation.

   Today reincarnation is rejected as a heresy. Modern day Christians believe in being Born Again now as a qualification for resurrection later. Most Christians will not read or think about anything below. Can you think for yourself?

The Catholic Cardinals and Roman Emperor's point of view.

   If people realized they were the children of God, they might begin to believe they no longer needed an Emperor, or to pay taxes or to obey the Holy (Roman Catholic) Church.  They reasoned that only Christ came from God that God made brand-new souls at the time of conception.  That only the Holy Church could bring these new souls to God. They believed (1) without the protection of the Empire and (2) the guidance of the Church all people would be doomed to be forever cut off from God in hell.( Perhaps like many modern day denominations believing, it you don't belong to our church then you will not go to Heaven.)

   Present day Christianity likewise believes that each new conception is a brand new soul.

   Origen and early Christians taught that the souls could be sent back to and from God (reincarnated) learning lessons in multiple lives. Origen taught that some souls had a destiny such as Jeremiah, and John the Baptist. (They believed that John the Baptist was Elijah reincarnated.)

   For centuries, reincarnation was a mainstream view of Christianity. In the sixth century it became a huge issue and the belief was made illegal. Illegal because Emperor Constantine believed it was dangerous to both the Empire's authority and the 'Holy Church' authority. Unlike reincarnation, the resurrection doctrine makes people dependant upon the priesthood for salvation and survival.

John 11:48-53.  If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. 49.  And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, 50.  Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. 51.  And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; 52.  And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. 53.  Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.

 

The Albigensian Crusade of 1209

   Unlike those crusades whereupon Christians had descended upon infidels, however, the Albigensian Crusade of 1209 consisted of some thirty thousand knights and foot soldiers from northern Europe descending like a whirlwind on the Languedoc -- the mountainous northeastern foothills of the Pyrenees in what is now southern France. 

  
The extermination of populations, cities and crops occasioned by the Albigensian Crusade was extensive enough so as to constitute what might be called the first "genocide" in modern European history.  In one town, for example, fifteen thousand men, women, and children were slaughtered wholesale -- many of them in the sanctuary of the church.  When an officer inquired of the Pope's representative how he might distinguish heretics from true believers, the reply was, "Kill them all.  God will recognize his own."  

   The crusade, or war, lasted for nearly forty years.  Having been called by the Pope himself,

   The key problem, from Rome's point of view, was that the Cathars in 1200 constituted a heresy which could conceivably displace Roman Catholicism as the dominant form of Christianity.  In general the Cathars subscribed to a doctrine of reincarnation....

Siege of Montsegur

Despite Saint Bernard's proclamation concerning the Cathars that, "No sermons are more Christian than theirs, and their morals are pure", Rome made every attempt in the Albigensian Crusade to exterminate the Cathars. When Pope Innocent III ordered a crusade, the goal was nothing less than to reduce the highest European culture of the Middle Ages to destitution and rubble. One of the allies of this crusade was a Spanish fanatic named Dominic Guzman. Spurred by a rabid hatred of heresy, Guzman in 1216 created the monastic order subsequently named after him, the Dominicans. And in 1233 the Dominicans spawned a more infamous institution -- the Holy Inquisition.*

Are your children as alike as peas in a pod?
If not, why not?

   "As alike as peas in a pod." A mother and father have several children. All the mother's eggs have the same DNA. All the father's sperm have the same DNA. Yet often the children grow up to be so different, they do not seem to have the same parents or come from the same home. (Assuming no unfaithfulness or telegony.) The human parents' 'pod', when opened, seems to contain a grape, raspberry, crab apple and a blueberry. Not four identical children, not alike as peas in a pod, while they may resemble their parents, they often have completely different personalities.
 
   'Good' children come from bad homes and 'bad' children come from good homes. Some homes with many children have some children turn out 'good' and other children 'bad'.

   Both the good and the bad are raised by the same parents in the same home. How can this be? Some blame environment, some birth order, others unfaithfulness, the parents fighting, or even telegony. But, is that all there is to it?

Are your children as alike as peas in a pod?

   Many parents blame themselves for how their children turn out. In the Bible, Adam and Eve gave birth to Cain and Able. Cain slew Able. God did not blame the parents for Cain's bad conduct. In fact God was Adam and Eve's parent. No one blames God for Adam and Eve's conduct. ('original sin')

   Isaac was the father of twins. One was good and the other bad. (Jacob and Esau) The Bible does not blame father Isaac or mother Rebecca for Esau's bad conduct. Or credit them for Jacob's good conduct. God even loved Jacob and hated Esau before they were born! How can this be?
 
While you did your very best, have any of your children become a grief of mind? What to do? Click here.

Genesis 26:34. And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite: 35. Which were a grief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.

Hebrews 12:16. Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

Romans 9:13. As it is written, (In Malachi) Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Malachi 1:2. I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, 3. And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
 

Bible Verse
Unless otherwise stated, the quotations will be from the King James Translation. (KJV)

Comments

Job 14:14. If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. (KJV)

 

Many funerals start with the quoting of Job 14:14. "If a man die, shall he live again?" The Clergyman will then talk about one life only followed by an end-time, after Jesus returns,  resurrection.
Job 14:13. O! that thou hadst kept me in the mansion* of the dead ; and hid me till thine indignation should cease: and that thou wouldst set me a time when thou wouldst remember me; (Septuagint)

(14) (for though a man die he may be revived, after finishing the days of this life of his,) I would wait patiently, until I come (15) again into existence. Then call and I will answer.

*John 14:2. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. KJV

The Septuagint Bible is translated somewhat differently. Rather than a question we find a statement: "for though a man die he may be revived" and "I would wait patiently, until I come (15) again into existence."

So, when might a person come again into existence?

The early Church had a different answer than the modern Church.

Job 1:20.  Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
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.  And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
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.  In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.

"Naked shall I return thither"

Where or what is 'thither'? Did Job say, "I came out of my mother's womb naked and return to a womb to come out naked again"? (return thither) Did Job expect to be reincarnated to be born naked again from a different womb?

"and naked shall I return thither" Have you even been to a funeral where the deceased was displayed laying in a coffin naked? or buried naked or even cremated naked? No.

Job 19:25.  For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Does not this also say, (1) 'my redeemer' was alive when Job was alive and (2) 'my redeemer' will be on the Earth at the latter day?

Does it follow that Jesus' birth through Mary was a incarnation or reincarnation of 'my redeemer'?

26.  And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: 27.  Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another;

Will Job be;

   (  ) Born Again.
   (  ) Resurrected.
   (  ) Reincarnated.

Job said that his present body will die and rot away. Then he says, In the latter day, "In my flesh I shall see God." My eyes, not the eyes of another person.

Does that say, Job will be reincarnated in the latter day, reincarnated, to see with his new body and new eyes to see 'my redeemer'? Others say it will be a resurrection rather than a reincarnation. Is there a difference between resurrection and reincarnation?

Genesis 25:21.  And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.

22And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to inquire of the LORD.

23.  And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

24.  And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.


    Jacob and Esau

This is a book in many public libraries: Life before life : a scientific investigation of children's memories of previous lives by Jim B. Tucker. For more information, click on the picture.

Chapter 8 of this book tells of children who remember fighting, before birth, while still in the womb. "And the children struggled together within her;" Perhaps sibling rivalry starts much earlier than we thought.

Earlier in this book a young child recalls being aborted and having to be reborn later.

Chapter 6, Unusual Behaviors, Page 114. A 5 year old child reports remembering being aborted saying, "(The previous mother) had allowed a bad man to pull her out and she tried to hang on but could not." The 5-year old girl, described being "scared and in a cold and dark place afterwards". Perhaps aborted children are not lost after all? They just come back later.

Jeremiah 1:4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. God knew Jeremiah before he was 'formed in the belly'. How did God know Jeremiah before conception? How can a person be sanctified and ordained before he existed when life begins at conception?
Malachi 4:5. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6.  And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. If Elijah was dead long ago, how could he be sent?
Matthew 11:7.  And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? Was John the Baptist Elijah reincarnated?
9.  But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. 10.  For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Was Elias sent via reincarnation? John was born six months before Jesus.

14.  And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. 15.  He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elias. Was Elias reincarnated to be born again as John?
Matthew 13:24. Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
27. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
37. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38. The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Perhaps Good Seed represents souls reincarnated (planted) by Jesus into the field of the world.

On the other hand, the bad seed souls come from Satan's granary.

34. All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
35. That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Have the clergy have been keeping reincarnation secret since the sixth century? Teaching in its place 'Ye must be born again!" (And replacing baptism for the remission of sin with, "Just accept Jesus as your personal savior.")
36. Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38. The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39.
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Two sowers and two types of people, wheat and tares.
40. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42. And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

"birds of a feather flock together"

Perhaps Sodom and Gomorrah were cities full of tares bundled together to be burned. The wheat had left town.

2 Corinthians 6: 17. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Matthew 16:13.  When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14.  And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

5. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

John, Elias, Jeremiah or one of the prophets?

Except for the recently deceased John, all these people were dead and buried long ago. It appears that the people asking believed in reincarnation.

Jesus did not say "You're wrong." He just asked, Who do you think?

Matthew 17:1-10. And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11.  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12.  But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13.  Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elias
Mark 9:13. But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him. Jesus said (1) Elias had come and that (2) John was Elias.
Mark 10:29-39 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
29. And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30. But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
In verse 29, Jesus promises, what you lose to follow me will be restored many times over.

In verse 30 we have two ages. The present age and the world to come. Thinking reincarnation.

What you lose in one life will be restored a hundredfold in future lives. Finally in the age to come reincarnation ceases and you have eternal life.

John 1:21. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

22.  Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?

John denied that he was Elias. But Jesus said that he was. Who are you to believe?

Apparently, as a general rule, people have little or no memories of past lives. Some children claim to remember past lives. How many of us remember what we knew or did when we were young children?

John 3:1. There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2. The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
'We' Pharisees know you are a man come from God. It is off the subject but, this 'we' shows that the Pharisees knew they were persecuting a man of God. And Nicodemus came by night because he knew he would be persecuted for associating with 'the enemy'.

3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


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Job 19:25.  (Job said) For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: 26.  And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: 27.  Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another;

To see "my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:" And see his redeemer with his own eyes he would have to be born again. New body and new eyes. Reincarnated. Re is again and incarnated is born.

SO for Nicodemus to see the kingdom of heaven which was yet far into the future he would have to live a very long time or die and be born again at some future time.

4. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Job knew the answer but the learned Nicodemus did not. Job's answer, "Not my present mother's womb, but into a future mother's womb." (thither)

Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither:

5. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
 

When the mother's water breaks, a man is born of water by passing down the birth canal.

Canal: A channel for water. Used for transportation.

The human body is born of flesh. A reincarnated person is both born of flesh and born of spirit.

7. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

"Nicodemus, like Job, to see the kingdom in the later days, you must be re-born."

 
I know a personal injury lawyer who's living proof of reincarnation. Nobody can get that sleazy in one lifetime!

Unless we are alive at Jesus return we also must be 'born again' to see him "stand at the latter day upon the earth:"

1 Thessalonians 4:15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

8. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
 

A spirit is like the wind. When it leaves the body you can't see it go. And when a spirit returns you don't see it come.

Perhaps Christians go to heaven at death and return later to be reincarnated or resurrected.

Perhaps they have a time out, a rest, under God's Altar. (Revelation 3)

10. Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Has your Pastor, 'a master in Israel' told you anything found at this web site?
11. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13. And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Some teach that verse 13 says that no man has ascended up into heaven. Therefore all are still in the grave awaiting a future resurrection. But that is not what the verse says.

Verse 13: No one goes to heaven unless he first comes from heaven. Doesn't that make a new-born child a gift from heaven?

Born, die, go to heaven for a time-out and return later reincarnated or 'born again.' We come and go as the wind. (Verse 8)

Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8.  That is, They which are the children of the flesh*, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9.  For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. 10.  And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11.  (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12.  It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.**

As it is written is Malachi 1:2-3.

1. The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.

2. I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

Verse 8. Are there children reincarnated and other children who are 'new' and therefore having no past lives.? "They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:" (See Ephesians 1:5 below. Perhaps children of the flesh become Children of God through adoption.)

**Perhaps Jacob and Esau were Cain and Able reincarnated and that is why God loved one and hated the other even before they were born.

These children were even born with a destiny. One was destined to serve the other.

What is your destiny?

Ephesians 1:4. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

11. In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Malachi 1:3. And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

4. Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.

God does not even like Esau's descendants! Perhaps if you were wicked in a past life you, are reincarnated into Esau's descendants. If good in the past then you are reincarnated into Jacob's descendants?

Some would call verse 3 Karma.

Karma is the belief that a person's actions determine his destiny in his next incarnation.

Ephesians 1:4. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
 
I definitely believe in reincarnation. Have you ever noticed how many dead people come to life every day at five in the afternoon?
How could we be chosen before the foundation of the world unless we were there to be chosen?

Jeremiah 1:4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

 

Verse 5 says we were predestined to be adopted.

Are the 'children of the flesh' mentioned in Romans 9:7 which are not the children of God adopted to become 'children of God'?

Hebrews 9:27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Revelation 2:11. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 20:6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 21:8. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The resurrection doctrine holds that, after a body dies and faces judgment, the very same physical body* will rise from the grave to face a possible death again. The 'second death'  (So, does once mean twice?)

Reincarnation says, at death, the spirit leaves a body, faces judgment, and thereafter, at a later time, enter a new and different body in this age or the next.

Some and Others

Some believe Hebrews 9:27 does not refute reincarnation because it is not the same body that dies a second time.

* What about bodies not in a grave? What if the body was cremated or vaporized in a nuclear blast? This does not present a problem with reincarnation.

Hebrews 9:27 "et quemadmodum statutum est hominibus semel mori post hoc autem iudicium"

It is appointed, once men die, after this is the judgment.

John 11:14.  So Jesus then said to them plainly, "Lazarus is dead,"

If it is appointed to take place once only, then it can not take place twice.

KEEP IN MIND: All the bible translations such as the King James (1611) were made by people who believed reincarnation was a heresy. Believing in reincarnation could get the translator burned at the stake. The church Pastor who explained Hebrews 9:27 to you also claims that reincarnation is heresy. Even if he privately believes reincarnation, to keep his job he will teach resurrection.

Others believe that the people translating from Greek to Latin made an error translating from the Latin Vulgate. "et quemadmodum statutum est hominibus semel mori post hoc autem iudicium"

The Latin Vulgate was used as a basis for the King James Version. (And the translators did not believe in reincarnation. Recall that belief in reincarnation was forbidden in 543 A.D.)

From then this translation was passed on  to all versions that took the Latin Vulgate as a source. The problem starts with the Greek syntax which has the word "once" before the subject "men" so instead of translated in the way it should read: "It is appointed once men die"... it was translated "men die once"

Matthew 10:6. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Revelation 21:8. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Otherwise, we must believe then that Lazarus and others that Jesus resurrected are alive today...since they already died  once. Therefore, considering that there is no other possible death until Jesus future return in the Book of Revelation, they are alive today.

If  "and as it is appointed unto men once to die," is a correct translation of Hebrews 9:27, then Lazarus and any others resurrected according to Matthew 10:8 are still alive today because Revelation 21:8 is yet future.

Revelation 3:9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11. And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

What is under the altar?
People who had been killed.

Where is the altar?
1. Before God's throne. Revelation 8:3 & 9:13
2. Not on the Earth. Revelation 5:5

Are these souls waiting a resurrection or reincarnation?

If the answer is resurrection, how is a resurrection different from a reincarnation?

Incarnated souls are born naked as Job said and expected to be. If you are resurrected as an adult, where are you going to get your clothing? (Made in China perhaps?)

Isaiah 65:17. For see, I am making a new heaven and a new earth: and the past things will be gone completely out of mind.
18. But men will be glad and have joy for ever in what I am making; for I am making Jerusalem a delight, and her people a joy.
19. And I will be glad over Jerusalem, and have joy in my people: and the voice of weeping will no longer be sounding in her, or the voice of grief.

The New Heavens and New Earth

20. No longer will there be there a child whose days are cut short, or an old man whose days have not come to their full measure: for the young man at his death will be a hundred years old, and he whose life is shorter than a hundred years will seem as one cursed Other translations use the word infant.

An infant requires a father and a mother who gives birth.

No more abortions or infant mortality.

21. And they will be building houses and living in them; planting vine-gardens and getting the fruit of them.
22. They will no longer be building for the use of others, or planting for others to have the fruit: for the days of my people will be like the days of a tree, and my loved ones will have joy in full measure in the work of their hands.
23. Their work will not be for nothing, and they will not give birth to children for destruction; for they are a seed to whom the Lord has given his blessing, and their offspring will be with them.
"give birth" and "heir offspring" will be with them in the new homes."

Babies need mothers to give birth. Babies need souls. Where do these souls come from? How about "under the altar".

 

Revelation 3:9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11. And white robes were given unto every one of

 them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Rest in Peace

At many funerals the words spoken are "May he rest in peace".

Hebrews 4:10. For the man who comes into his rest has had rest from his works, as God did from his.
11. Because of this, let us have a strong desire to come into that rest, and let no one go after the example of those who went against God's orders.

Saints who have died are said to be at rest. They sleep until a resurrection or reincarnation.

Matthew 22:30.  For in the resurrection (386) they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Those at rest under God's altar (Revelation 3) "neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

Compare the Greek word translated Resurrection with the modern word Anesthesia

αναστασις  
Strong's Number: 386
Pronunciation: anastasis an-as'-tas-is

Total Occurrences: 42
KJV Word Usage: resurrection (39) , rising again (1) , that should rise (1) , raised to life again (1) + 1537
Anesthesia, or anaesthesia (see spelling differences; from Greek αν-, an-, "without"; and αἲσθησις, aisthēsis, "sensation"), has traditionally meant the condition of having (including the feeling of pain) blocked or temporarily taken away. ...
Ecclesiastes1:11.  There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

Shortly after birth memories of a prior life quickly fade away.

Ecclesiastes 9:5.  For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

There are two points of view on this verse.

 

1. "but the dead know not any thing" Likewise when you are resting asleep you "know not any thing,".

"any more a reward;" When your work is done no more reward is accumulated. You are just waiting on payday.

"the memory of them is forgotten." People forget but God does not.

2. This is a rhetorical remark by a depressed King Solomon, who admits to drinking in excess. Having too many wives and every luxury imaginable yet found his life unfulfilling. It might be a "What's the use?" remark.

The Council produced fourteen new anathemas. The very first condemned reincarnation. 

The Anathemas Against Origen.

Anathema 1 "If anyone asserts the fabulous preexistence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema.

Matthew 23:13. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

And just exactly is the 'monstrous restoration' the Church and State of the New World Order opposes, is it just reincarnation, or is there more?

Revelation 21:1. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were gone; and there was no more sea.
2. And I saw the holy town, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, like a bride made beautiful for her husband.

1,000 years should be plenty of time to reincarnate all the 'dead in Christ'.

The Testimony of Four Children.
Memories of past lives are like dreams and quickly forgotten within a few years after birth.

"Don't worry mommy, that was me" (3 years old)
Return From Heaven Page 190

(Mothers)  have absolutely no idea the baby they aborted can return to them. Many years after an abortion, a mother can still suffer deeply from sadness, remorse, and guilt for her actions. Yet, as the following story shows, it’s never too late for a mother to apologize to a soul and explain what happened — even if the dialogue is with a soul who has returned to her as another child.Click here. Beloved relatives reincarnated within your family.

A mother from Texas describes what happened:

   My child is now twenty-four years old, but I have never forgotten what he said long ago when he was just three.

   One day, Joel and I were driving home from his preschool. He was sitting next to me coloring while I listened to an abortion debate on the radio. Suddenly he piped up, “Abortion is wrong,” and I about fell over. I didn’t realize he was even listening or knew what the word abortion meant.

   Not wanting my young son to learn to judge others so quickly, I explained, “Joel, abortion is a woman’s choice. When I was sixteen I made a mistake and had to have an abortion. 1 always felt sad about that, but I did what I felt I had to do at the time.”

   I always earned much guilt about my abortion, and talking to my son about it brought up all the emotion and sadness that I had tried to push away. I couldn’t tell if he understood or heard what I said, because he kept on coloring.

   Then Joel said, in such a matter-of-fact way he could have been talking about something he did in preschool, “Don’t worry, Mommy. That was me. I just went back to heaven and waited for you.” He never even lifted his head up from his coloring book.

   From that clay on, I’ve had a peace in my life that I hadn’t known since I was sixteen. 

"Because all my power was gone" (4 years old.)
 Return from Heaven -Page 215

    One evening when Mark was four, as I walked past his bedroom door, I heard him sobbing quietly. It was about eight-thirty in the evening and Mark was usually asleep by six-thirty or sevens I quietly opened the door a crack to look inside. Mark was on his bed, on his knees, sitting on his calves, with his head down, covering his face with his hands and sobbing. I had never seen him cry like that before. Normality when Mark cried, it was with his mouth wide open and face up in the air, making a very loud noise.

    I quietly walked over, sat on the side of the bed, put my hand on his shoulder, and asked what was wrong. He was sobbing so deeply that at first he couldn’t talk. I just rubbed his back softly and waited until he spoke. After a while he said between sobs, “All my friends are gone,” shaking his head and gesturing with his hands. These were uncharacteristic mannerisms for Mark. His shoulders were slumped like he was carrying a very big burden, and he continued to look down ward.

    Normally when Mark talks to you, he looks straight in your eyes. But now be was looking down at the bed, as if he were in a trance.

    I asked, “What happened to them, Mark?”

    He just shook his head sadly and said, “They’re all gone.

    I thought for a while, not sure what to say, while Mark continued to sob. Then I asked, “Where are your friends?”

    He said, “They’re under the rocks, the big rocks.

    "They all gone." As soon as he said “big rocks” an image of television news reports of the Beirut barracks bombing popped into my mind. I remembered huge pieces of broken concrete piled up high, next to the remaining shell of a building.
I tried to think what to say to comfort Mark while he cried with his face in his hands. As I sat there I couldn’t stop thinking that this was not the way a four- year-old child cries. Then, without my saying anything, Mark said, “I want to help my friends. They’re all dying. Then he shook his head, put his face in his hands, and said through sobs, “But I can’t, I can’t.”

    I wanted to try to get him to talk through what he was feeling, hoping it would help him. But this whole episode had taken me so much by surprise, I really couldn’t think what to say or do. Finally I asked, “Why can’t you help them, Mark?”

    Shaking his head sadly, he said, “Because all my power is gone. I can’t move.” I asked him where he was. He said, “I’m under the rocks too. All my power is gone.” Then he started crying loudly, still with his face in his hands, saying, “I want to help my friends, but I can’t My power is all gone.”

    Not knowing what else to do, I just pulled Mark close to me and held his head next to my chest, rocking him to calm him down, He cried like I have never seen him cry before. After two or three minutes of intense crying, he finally calmed down a little and said softly, “They took me out from the rocks. They laid me down on one of the big rocks. They put me in a box and sent me back home.” When he said that, I remembered the television image of the big concrete slab with bodies laid out on it and the scene on television of flag-draped coffins being unloaded from a cargo plane at an airport. I continued to hold Mark and rock him. He slowly stopped sobbing and, after a few minutes, fell asleep.

    The words I have written above are the exact words that Mark used. I will remember every word of that conversation for the rest of my life. I remember thinking as he said the word power that he had no other way in his limited vocabulary to say that he had no life force left to help his friends. He had never heard the word coffin, so he called it a box. I also remember being impressed that his sole concern was helping his friends, even though he himself was crushed and dying — not a typical thought process for a four-year old.

    The next morning Mark was his typical energetic, optimistic, laughing self. There were no signs that he remembered anything about what bad happened during the night I never said anything to him about the episode, nor did he say anything to me.

    Page 215 Return from Heaven: Beloved Relatives Reincarnated Within Your Family By Carol Bowman

"When someone has messed up their lives
as badly as this man has..
" (6 years old.)

CHILDREN'S PAST LIVES - How Past Life Memories Affect Your Child by Carol Bowman. Page 341-342.In Association with Amazon.com

   Sometimes a child’s understanding of the patterns of life can go beyond that of most adults, including their parents. When this happens, all we can do is open to the lessons and be grateful for the wisdom this child brings to us so freely. Lisa continues:

   Courtney is now six. Most of her past life recollections have slowed down, but not completely. She said something a few months ago that I found really interesting.

   We were in the kitchen, and she was breezing through in a sequined tutu. Courtney is a very dramatic, creative person, so she just came fluttering through the kitchen. The TV was on showing a news story of some kind. I wasn’t paying attention, but Courtney asked me why that lady on TV was crying. Well, I tuned in mentally for the first time and realized they were talking about how this woman’s son was going to be executed for a crime he had committed. I tried to explain this to Courtney in a nice way without going into detail about what rape means.

   Courtney said, “Well, Mom, she just doesn’t understand. That’s why she’s sad.”

   I said, “Courtney, what do you mean she doesn’t under stand?”

   “Well,” she replied, “she just doesn’t understand that when someone has messed up their lives as badly as this man has, that it’s really not a punishment to die. Because when be dies, he gets to start over again and be a baby in a new family without any bad things that he’s done following him. And that’s really a lot better for him because he won’t waste his energy, and he’ll be able to learn what be needs to learn a lot easier if he starts over. And she just doesn’t understand this, Momma, because if she did, she wouldn’t be sad.” With that, Courtney flitted out of the room.

   I get goose bumps when I talk about this. It took me about three hours to really contemplate what she had said. To me, that is a deep integration of her beliefs, especially for someone who is six years old. Believe me, it did not come from us. We attend a Presbyterian church and I consider us open-minded, but this does not come from religious dogma she has picked up. She never beard this kind of reasoning before. It was all her own.

   I feel a great responsibility toward Courtney to nurture whatever this is in her. I feel that I have a child who is a more advanced soul than I am. At the moment I felt like I was the child and I bad asked a childish question. Without being sassy or rude, she succinctly put me in my place.

"That’s not how it works!"  (4 1/2 years old)
CHILDREN'S PAST LIVES - How Past Life Memories Affect Your Child
by Carol Bowman. Page 340-341.

In Association with Amazon.com   Mary Fleming’s children described their spiritual memories with childlike images of the places and events they remembered. Some children are born not only with these memories but also with a gift for comprehending and articulating sophisticated spiritual concepts. Lisa’s daughter Courtney is one of these children:

   One day my son, Joey, was looking at a baby picture of his older sister Aubrey. He asked where he had been when the picture had been taken. Aubrey replied, “You were in baby heaven waiting to be born, Joey.”

   Courtney got very indignant at this and said, “That’s not how it works! That is just not how it works!”

   She then clarified this by telling us: “You go to heaven, then you have a little time to rest, kind of like a vacation, but then you have to get to work. You have to start thinking about what you have to learn in your next life. You have to start picking out your next family, one that will help you learn whatever it is you need to learn next. Heaven isn’t just a place you go to hang around forever. It’s not just a place to relax and kick back. You have work to do there.”

   Courtney was very serious about this, very. She was four and a half at the time. This was not a childlike concept of heaven. This is a place where things must be accomplished.

   I decided to confront her a little bit, so I said, “Courtney, if you have been in heaven, do you remember it?”

   She said, “Yah.”

   “Well, then,” I said, “You must have seen God."

   She nodded and told me that she had. I thought to my self, I’m going to pin her down now. I said, “I really don’t remember God. Could you please tell me what he looked like?”

   Well, I was expecting the Hollywood version — a bright light or some warm feeling. She looked at me with eyes that went straight through me and said, “Don’t you know, I only saw God with my soul.”

   I should have known I wasn’t going to pin her into a corner.

Final questions to ponder.

If a person joins a secret society and sells his soul to Satan for fame and fortune in this life then:

(  ) He chose his fate and his soul will be destroyed.
(  ) He will reincarnate to be even more wicked next time.
(  ) He will reincarnate to be given a chance to accept Christ.

Matthew 25:46.  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 10:28. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.. 5.  And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Secret societies do good works in public and evil in the background. Their members become the great men, the rich and famous in this world but not in the next..

If an infant is aborted:

(  ) Goes to heaven.
(  ) Goes to hell.
(  ) Goes to purgatory.
(  ) Was never a person in the first place.
(  ) Reincarnates to be given a first chance to accept or reject Jesus Christ.

"Don't worry, that was me."

 

If a person is martyred or one of the millions killed because they were followers of Jesus Christ then what.

(  ) Goes to heaven. (Once saved, always saved.)
(  ) Goes to hell.
(  ) Rests under the altar awaiting a resurrection.
(  ) Reincarnated so Satan can try to kill them again.

John 10:28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Where are the souls of the millions of Christians killed simply because they were Christians?

(  ) Rests under the altar awaiting a resurrection.
(  ) Reincarnated so Satan can try to kill him again.

Revelation 6:9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
John 3:15. That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

"When an officer inquired of the Pope's representative how he might distinguish heretics from true believers, the reply was, "Kill them all.  God will recognize his own." The Albigensian Crusade

If a person lives and dies never being given an opportunity to accept or reject Jesus Christ then what?

(  ) Goes to heaven.
(  ) Goes to hell.
(  ) Rests under the altar awaiting a resurrection.
(  ) Is reincarnated*.

Treated the same as an aborted baby.

"My power was gone"

* Not a second chance because the person never had a first chance to accept or reject Christ. (Or seal his fate by accepting Satan.)

If a person is martyred, does he rest until the resurrection or is he reincarnated to give Satan another opportunity?

(  ) No reincarnation, the soul rests under the altar until the last day resurrection.
(  ) Satan has a second, third or even fourth try via reincarnation.

Revelation 6:9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

 

Will Daniel be reincarnated over and over or will he be resurrected 'at the end of days'?

(  ) Daniel will be reincarnated over and over between then and also at the end of days.
(  ) Daniel will rest in the grave until the time of the resurrection.

Daniel 12:13.  But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

VIDEO

Reincarnation- past life evidence.

Boy Remembers Past Life

Book suggestions for those of you with young children:In Association with Amazon.com

Children's Past Lives: How Past Life Memories Affect Your Child by Carol Bowman

Return From Heaven: Beloved Relatives Reincarnated Within Your Family by Carol Bowman

Old Souls:
Compelling Evidence from Children Who Remember Past Lives by Tom Shroder

Life Before Life: A Scientific Investigation of Children's Memories of Previous Lives  by Jim Tucker

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