ANNOUNCER: Welcome to the Bible Law Course Program. This is a series
of broadcasts about The Ten Commandants, not as a means to salvation, but as a
code of conduct for Christians. In these programs we will show that all our
nations problems can be solved with the application of God given law.
SPEAKER: Hello, today I will talk about the first commandment and separation
of Church and State. Listen to these words from your Old Testament, from
Deuteronomy chapter 5;
ANNOUNCER: "(1) And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O
Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye
may learn them, and keep, and do them.
(2) The Lord our God made a covenant with us ...
(4) The Lord talked with you face
to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire, (5) ... saying,
(6) I am the
Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of
(7) Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
SPEAKER: "Thou shalt
have no other Gods before me." That is the first commandment. Now let's think about separation of
Church and State. Most of you believe that this phrase is in our constitution.
And most of you believe, that this is a fundamental doctrine of our form of
The first amendment to our constitution says this, "Congress shall make
no law regarding an establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise
thereof." The word separation, and the word church, they are not there.
Back in early America the States encouraged Christianity, but no
allowed an exclusive state-sponsored denomination as they did in England, and
often times in Europe. Many citizens still had memories of the earlier times in
their home countries when one denomination did rule over, and did oppress
others. So to prevent this from ever happening here in America, they wrote the
But the first amendment went through many rewritings. By September 3, of 1789,
it was stated this way.
"Congress shall not make any law infringing the rights of conscience, or
establishing any religious sect or society."
This was rewritten. It was changed to;
"Congress shall make no law establishing any particular denomination of
religion in preference to another, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, nor
shall the rights of conscience be infringed."
And they rewrote it again, they wrote;
"Congress shall make no law establishing one religious society in
preference to others or to infringe the rights of conscious."
And at the end of the day, another rewriting;
"Congress shall make no law establishing religion or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof."
They went home, they were still not satisfied. They returned on September 9th and wrote
"Congress shall make no law establishing articles of faith or a mode of
worship, or prohibiting the free exercise of religion."
And finally, they came to agreement. And these are the words of agreement;
"Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion nor
prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
After many rewritings, that is now the first amendment to our constitution. It is obvious from the
historical record, that this is the understanding at that time; That Congress
shall make no law establishing one Christian denomination as a national
That my friends, is the true meaning of our first amendment as established by
historical documents. And that is a far cry from what is taught by the liberal
press, the television talk shows, and the government class rooms.
And, although the statesman who framed the Constitution had made it very
clear, that no one Christian denomination would become the official
denomination. There was a problem in Danbury, Connecticut. The Danbury
Baptists had heard a rumor. A rumor, that in spite of the amendment, a
particular denomination was soon to be made official. This rumor so worried the
Danbury Baptists, that they wrote a letter to President Jefferson. To put this
rumor to rest, on July first, of 1802 President Jefferson went to Danbury,
Connecticut to speak to a gathering of Danbury Baptists.
The modern separation of church and state propaganda is based on that meeting, and it is based on the letters between President Jefferson, and the
Danbury Baptists. I will be back right after this message.
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SPEAKER: The subject on this program is The First Commandment and the Separation
of Church and State. Before saying more about President Jefferson and the
Danbury Baptists, let's talk about a lawsuit that took place way back in 1799.
A lawsuit that took place just eight years after the writing of the first
amendment. A lawsuit that explains the true understanding of the first
The first amendment is part of The Bill of Rights The bill of rights was
added to our Constitution in 1791. Eight years later, in 1799 there was a
lawsuit titled, Runkel v. Winemiller. It can be found at your local law library.
I obtained my copy at the University of Akron. This is not a vague, hard to find
citation. And it should be in almost every court house law library. And it
should be in every college law library. And you can go there and you can read it for
The case involved a minister of The Dutch Reformed Church. He had been
improperly removed from his pulpit by a dissenter. He sued to get his pulpit
back. And he won the lawsuit. And here are the interesting words having to do
with the, so called, separation of church and state. I will read from the court
report, it says;
"The Christian religion is the established religion by our form of
government, and all denominations are placed on an equal footing and equally
entitled to protection in their religious liberty."
How about that! Listen again. The Court said; "The Christian religion is
the established religion by our form of government and all denominations are
placed on an equal footing and equally entitled to protection in their religious
This was in a Maryland Court. This Maryland Court said, while we do not have
an established church here in America, but we do have an established religion.
And the established religion of the United States is Christianity. And all
denominations are equal under the law.
This case takes up seventeen pages in the law book. Pages
276 to 292. On page 288 at reference number 450, I find these words; listen to
"Religion is of general and public concern, and on its support depends, in
great measure, the peace and good order of government, the safety and happiness
of the people. By our form of government, the Christian religion is the
established religion; and all sects and all denominations of Christians are
placed upon the same equal footing, and are equally entitled to protection in
their religious liberty. The principles of the Christian religion cannot be diffused, and
its doctrines generally propagated, without places of public worship, and
teachers, and ministers to explain the Scriptures to the people, and to enforce
an observance of the precepts of religion by their preaching and living. And the
pastors, teachers and ministers, of every denomination of Christians, are
equally entitled to the protection of the law, and to the enjoyment of their
religious and temporal rights."
Well, that is all I will read from this court report. That is what the court
said eight years, eight years after the adoption of the first amendment. That court decision
was way back in 1799. And it was just three years later, in 1802, that President
Thomas Jefferson went to Danbury Connecticut to speak to a gathering of Danbury
Jefferson went to Connecticut, because the Danbury Baptists had heard a
rumor' that in spite of the first amendment, and in spite of what the courts had
said, that a particular denomination was soon to be made official. The Danbury
Baptists were afraid that there would be, not an established religion, but an
established church. An established church such as happened far too often in
Europe. A established church, such as The Church of England.
The first amendment to our Bill of Rights says, "Congress shall make no
law regarding an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof." Government was not to prefer one denomination of Christians
over any other denomination.
The phrase, separation of church and state, it is not recorded in the records
of the Constitutional Convention. Separation of Church and State is not found in
the records of the congress that produced the Bill of Rights. So why did
President Jefferson use these words? And where did these words come from?
Well, to prepare for this meeting, President Jefferson had read some of the
writings of the Baptist leadership. One prominent Danbury Baptist minister was
Roger Williams, and Williams had written about his fears of government
preference for one particular denomination. In Williams pamphlet he wrote:
"they have opened a gap in the hedge or wall of separation, between the
garden of the church and the wilderness of the world."
These are the words that President Jefferson found in Williams writings, and
he used Williams own words to assure the Danbury Baptists, that the federal
government would not establish them or any other denomination of Christians as a
national denomination, and Jefferson did this by saying; well, this is what
Jefferson said, speaking of The First Amendment, Jefferson said, "I
contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which
declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment
of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of
separation between church and state."
These words of assurance to the Danbury Baptist Association were soon
forgotten. They were forgotten, until seventy six years later, when they were used, for
the very first time, in a court case, I'll tell you how that court, seventy six
years later, how that court used Separation of Church and State, to impose a
Christian moral standard. Yes, at that time, the court used Jefferson's words on
separation of church and state to impose morality, to impose Christian morality.
And I'll be back right after this message.
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SPEAKER: Now you might ask, how in the world did a court of times past, use
Jefferson's words about separation of church and state to impose Christian
morality? That court case that came about because the Mormon Church wanted
legalization of bigamy and polygamy. And that court used Jefferson's words to
show that, while the court was not free to interfere with religious opinion, it
was still responsible to enforce civil laws. And to enforce civil laws according
to basic Christian standards. The court said, the separation of church and
state had to do with Christian principles. The court said, polygamy and bigamy
was a violation of the constitution. Why?
Well, because polygamy and bigamy was a violation of basic Christian
principles. Now, seventy years later. In 1947, a more modern, a more liberal
court resurrected Jefferson's words, turned them inside out, and upside down. It
gave Jefferson's words a new, and unheard of meaning.
This was in the U.S. Supreme Court decision titled, Everson vs. Board of
Education. In 1947 this court used Jefferson's words, not to enforce Christian
moral standards, but to divorce Christianity from public affairs. Actually, to
nullify The First Commandment. This was the very first occasion on which a Court
declared that there was a separation of church and state in the First Amendment.
And since then, since 1947, the courts have been ruling by this new 1947
This is the court, the court that twisted and misapplied Jefferson's words.
The court that made Jefferson's words, the law of the land. And to take
Jefferson's words spoken from a pulpit, to the Danbury Baptists, and make that,
a part of a speech, to make that the law of the land, well that is absurd!
All Jefferson did was make a political speech, to a group of concerned
Christians. But Jefferson was not even a delegate to the Constitutional
Convention. He was not a member of Congress when they debated the Bill of
Rights. Jefferson was not a member of any state legislature. Not a member of any
So you might ask, where was Thomas Jefferson? At that time Thomas Jefferson was our ambassador to
France. Very few Americans know the origin of the words, separation of church
and state. That these words are not in the Constitution, but that they came from
a speech to the Danbury Baptists. And they don't know how it was originally
applied. Applied by government to enforce Christian moral standards by
forbidding polygamy and bigamy. Nor do they know, when it was introduced into
American life in 1947 and now being used to destroy everything Christian. Since 1947, the courts have been ruling by this new standard.
The courts have used this doctrine to reverse, long standing Christian
traditions. The courts have been using Separation of Church to unravel the
fabric of American life. For example, in 1962* the Court used this new doctrine
to prohibit prayer in school. Before 1962, we Americans had been praying in
school for 340 years. What schools and students were doing then was never ruled
unconstitutional. Between 1947 and 1962, the phrase had been used so often that
some justices were just simply tired of hearing about it.
* Correction, actually 1963
One Justice said, "Much has been written in recent years concerning
Thomas Jefferson's reference in 1802 to a wall of separation between church and
state. Jefferson's figure of speech has received so much attention, that one
would almost think at times that it is to be found somewhere in the
That's right my friends, this justice of the Supreme Court knew. He knew
that, separation of church and state was NOT in the Constitution.
So why do the wicked work so hard? Working to make us think these words are
in our constitution. Why have they worked so hard to kick God, the Bible, and
prayer, and Christianity out of the schools?
Well, they know, the philosophy of the school room in one generation,
will be the philosophy of government in the next. And they know, to get God and
Christianity out of the government - in the future all they need do is to get
God and Christianity out of the classroom today. The wicked work very hard to
make the public to believe, that a bunch of non-Christians and atheists wrote
our constitution. And nothing could be farther from the truth. At the time of
the Constitutional convention, every state constitution had a requirement, that
all office holders must be Christians.
For example, Delaware's constitution required this
declaration from all office holders. I do profess faith in God the Father and in
Jesus Christ his only son and in the Holy Ghost. One God blessed for ever and
ever.. and I do acknowledge the scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be
given of divine inspiration.
And so Delaware sent John Dickinson a Quaker, George Reed an
Episcopalian, Richard Bassett, a Methodist. Gunning Bedford, a Presbyterian and
Jacob Broom, a Lutheran.
Pennsylvania sent Benjamin Franklin. And Franklin is often
accused of being a Deist, but what is a Deist? As a Deist, Benjamin Franklin
attended every kind of public worship. He called for public prayer. And
he contributed to all denominations. Today he would be called, not a deist, but
Pennsylvania had other representatives, like Thomas FitzSimmons, a Catholic. And Jared Ingersoll, a Presbyterian. State by state, in
every state, the story is the same. All the delegates were Christians. The
delegates were not selected by their states because they were good politicians.
They were selected because they were good Christian politicians. All the men at
the Constitutional Convention were Christians. There were 29 Anglicans, 18
Calvinists, 2 Methodists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Catholics, and so on;
And for the next 150 years, this was common knowledge. This is what Patrick
Henry said. Words no longer taught in the public schools. Patrick Henry said.
"It can not be emphasized too strongly, or to often, that this great nation
was founded by Christians. On the Gospel of Jesus Christ."
My friends, to say that these Christians met in a constitutional convention,
opened their meeting with prayer, then set about to write a document that kept
Christianity out of their government, well that is simply preposterous, yet that
is what the television talk shows, the modern history books, and the liberal
newspapers want, expect, and even demand that you to believe.
The Bill of Rights is a declaration of what the Government is NOT to do.
Today it is being turned upside down, and used to tell Christians what they are
not to do. Not to have prayer in schools; not to have the Bible or The Ten
Commandments in the school. And for us to keep our religion out of our own
government. If that kind of "separation of church and state" had been
in the Constitution or in the Bill of Rights, All thirteen states, all of
them, they would have vetoed any such document, unanimously and instantly. The
phrase 'separation of church and state' is an over-used, misused, and abused
phrase. Everyone knows the words, but almost no one knows their history. And
almost nobody knows how these ungodly words have been forced on this nation.
Now, my friends, listen to the wisdom of today's courts, the very courts
taking jurisdiction over your children in your public schools. This is what the
modern courts have said, listen to this; The courts have said, "If the
posted copies of The Ten Commandments are to have any effect at all, it will be
to induce school children to read, meditate upon, and perhaps venerate and obey
the commandments ... this is NOT a permissible state objective under the
How about that? And what would be the results that the court fears, the court
fears that students might read, think about, respect, or even obey The Ten
Commandments? Why students might start to respect their parents, or not become
involved in promiscuous sex. And no doubt with condoms supplied by the school
with the court's blessing.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, today's courts have said, that
the mere posting of copies of The Ten Commandments in a public place is a
violation of The First Amendment. What would Benjamin Franklin or Patrick Henry
have thought about that?
That's what the court said, but here is what James Madison said,
Madison said, "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not
upon the power of Government, far from it. We have staked the future upon the
capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to sustain ourselves,
according to The Ten Commandments of God." And James Madison helped write that
It is ludicrous to think, that today's atheistic, humanist, liberal courts
have a better understanding of The First Amendment than the very people who
wrote it! In fact, brethren, this demonic 'separation of church and state'
doctrine will eventually destroy Christian America, if we Christians do not wake up and
take action. This is the third commandment. listen:
ANNOUNCER: "Thou shalt not take
the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless
that taketh his name in vain." (Exodus 20:7)
"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain, the Lord will
not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." But what does the
modern court think about God's name and God's commandment? Here is more from the
modern courts: and listen to this blasphemy; The court has said;
"On the one
hand free speech is protected by the Constitution, including the right to use
the word God in a derogatory or vulgar manner. Recall from the 1971 case of
Cohen vs. California, that the court declared that it was a sign of our societies
strength to permit the air to be filled with profanity. And recall from the 1985
case of Grove vs. Meed, that the court defended the right of the school to use a
text book describing Jesus as a "poor white trash God" and to describe
Jesus as, "a white s.o.b." With such language permitted, it would
appear that nearly any expression or word is constitutionally protected."
Well, how about that? That is what your courts are saying.
But there's more,
listen to this;
"Although there is protection for free speech, and although the word
God when hyphenated with any other profanity is protected by the court,
such constitutional protection does not include the right to use the word God in
a respectful manner. From the 1965 case Reed vs. Van Horn, furthermore it is
improper to provide opportunity for the expression of respect for God. During the
school day, no themes will be assigned on such topics as, why I believe in
religious devotions. Not only is it improper for school officials and students
to use the word God in a respectful manner. In the 1965 case of Despain vs.
Decalb that it is also improper for students to think about God."
My friends, think about what you have just heard. Your courts. American
courts! They said, when you are on public property, it is improper to think about God. Are the courts on the
way toward making thinking about God a thought crime? Is silent prayer in
schools or on
government property going to
be a thought crime? The modern courts of our land have said, it is constitutional
to express contempt for God, but unconstitutional to express respect for Him.
And how does that square with the first and third commandments?
Well, what I have just read from today's courts should make you furious.
Should make any Christian furious. But, shame on us Christians for tolerating
such filth for so long from our courts. The bottom line is this. The evil
separation church and state doctrine protects the breaking of The Ten
Commandments, and forbids their observance by government.
This vile, doctrine of demons, makes it unconstitutional for
to respect God, or to keep His commandments. How can we call ourselves, "One
Nation Under God" when we put up with this filth from our courts? The separation
of church and state doctrine makes it public policy to blaspheme God and to
break His commandments.
It's no wonder that God is turning his back on America. Separation of Church
and State is the battle cry of those who would destroy Christian America. We
Christians need to wake up and we need to take action. We need to put this separation of church and
state doctrine where it belongs, and press the lever.
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